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but haven't you heard? The US has the best health care system in the world.
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odd man out wrote:
but haven't you heard? The US has the best health care system in the world.
world health organization ranking
forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014…ed-to-10-other-countries/
time.com/2888403/u-s-health-ca…t-in-the-developed-world/its all good -
i have no interest in discussing insurance on a friday nite, but i looked at the who rankings and they have canada 30 (and the usa 37 as already pointed out).
yet canadians cross the border into the usa to get medical services that are unavailable to them in their own country.
seems inconsistent with the rankings.2,000 miler -
Is this the trail health forum or the political crap forum?Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them.
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I had to give cro fab about 3 yrs ago. It was hand delivered by the house supervisor who told me, this is liquid gold don't screw it up.Lost in the right direction.
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SarcasmTheElf wrote:
Is this the trail health forum or the political crap forum?
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$2000 per vial is a pretty common price for CroFab. Some patients need none, a typical patient will need about 14 over a course of treatment, a bad timber rattler envenomation might need 50 or more.
Many antivenins are no longer even being manufactured. Coral snake antivenin hasn't been made in the US for about 15 years, after Wyeth quit the business. There is still some old stock for which the FDA continues to extend the expiration date (it's kept on liquid nitrogen, so it doesn't actually go bad). There is also some manufactured in Mexico, but the FDA hasn't approved its use. When Wyeth exited the business, in consultation with the FDA, it manufactured an extra five years' supply, to allow for transition to another source of supply. Nobody stepped forward.
CroFab is manufactured, but the supply gets interrupted from time to time because of quality control issues. When there's only one production run every few years, a delay from a glitch can cause supplies to dip dangerously low.
Apparently, even at $2000/vial, antivenin simply isn't a profitable business. It costs $millions to set up a production run, and there simply aren't enough patients for a company to be able to recover the cost. Blame greed if you like, but nobody sane stays in a business that loses money.I'm not lost. I know where I am. I'm right here. -
AnotherKevin wrote:
Apparently, even at $2000/vial, antivenin simply isn't a profitable business. It costs $millions to set up a production run, and there simply aren't enough patients for a company to be able to recover the cost. Blame greed if you like, but nobody sane stays in a business that loses money.
Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them. -
max.patch wrote:
i have no interest in discussing insurance on a friday nite, but i looked at the who rankings and they have canada 30 (and the usa 37 as already pointed out).
yet canadians cross the border into the usa to get medical services that are unavailable to them in their own country.
seems inconsistent with the rankings.
Lest we forget.....
SSgt Ray Rangel - USAF
SrA Elizabeth Loncki - USAF
PFC Adam Harris - USA
MSgt Eden Pearl - USMC -
AnotherKevin wrote:
$2000 per vial is a pretty common price for CroFab. Some patients need none, a typical patient will need about 14 over a course of treatment, a bad timber rattler envenomation might need 50 or more.
Many antivenins are no longer even being manufactured. Coral snake antivenin hasn't been made in the US for about 15 years, after Wyeth quit the business. There is still some old stock for which the FDA continues to extend the expiration date (it's kept on liquid nitrogen, so it doesn't actually go bad). There is also some manufactured in Mexico, but the FDA hasn't approved its use. When Wyeth exited the business, in consultation with the FDA, it manufactured an extra five years' supply, to allow for transition to another source of supply. Nobody stepped forward.
CroFab is manufactured, but the supply gets interrupted from time to time because of quality control issues. When there's only one production run every few years, a delay from a glitch can cause supplies to dip dangerously low.
Apparently, even at $2000/vial, antivenin simply isn't a profitable business. It costs $millions to set up a production run, and there simply aren't enough patients for a company to be able to recover the cost. Blame greed if you like, but nobody sane stays in a business that loses money.
Lest we forget.....
SSgt Ray Rangel - USAF
SrA Elizabeth Loncki - USAF
PFC Adam Harris - USA
MSgt Eden Pearl - USMC -
Yea, this belongs in the political forum. Besides when was the last time anyone else here stepped on a snake?Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!
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WiseOldOwl wrote:
Yea, this belongs in the political forum. Besides when was the last time anyone else here stepped on a snake?
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Dan76 wrote:
Suggest liability issues and associated costs are a major reason for ceasing production.
Personnel safety is another issue. An average snake farm has one envenomation incident among its workers every two years. There are also an appalling number of accidents among those who handle the horses.
Making the stuff is nasty, dangerous and expensive, and you can't even come close to recovering the cost without having the public and politicians accuse you of price gouging. That's reason enough to quit. If liability issues are a concern, that's icing on the cake.I'm not lost. I know where I am. I'm right here. -
jimmyjam wrote:
I have almost stepped on copperheads 3 times. All after sunset. I killed all 3 as they were at my house.
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sheepdog wrote:
snakes like me....I walk over them with impunity.....I'm also humble and lovable.
and you're nowhere near as humble as me.
probably have me beat on lovable thoughits all good -
Just to throw a bit of HEET on to the fire...
If I was bitten by a tiger snake on the Bib I would expect my entire treatment to not cost me a cent. My $50 a year ambulance insurance could save me a few hundred however.Resident Australian, proving being a grumpy old man is not just an American trait. -
OzJacko wrote:
Just to throw a bit of HEET on to the fire...
If I was bitten by a tiger snake on the Bib I would expect my entire treatment to not cost me a cent. My $50 a year ambulance insurance could save me a few hundred however.
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Not really unless you are very remote or a small child etc. Fatalities from our various snakes are very rare. But you need to act correctly. Pressure bandage. Immobilise the limb and as far as practical, the person. Recent studies are suggesting that for most healthy adults antivenom is not really necessary. Remember that our snakes while highly venomous, inject very small quantities. You will be very ill for a while though.Resident Australian, proving being a grumpy old man is not just an American trait.
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I'm far more scared of your spiders than I am of your snakes. Though in fairness that has more to do with my own phobias than anything else.
What are your bees like? I never hear much about them.
[IMG:http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/09/10/1227053/619418-4da919d0-37ed-11e4-a694-451fbd592c5f.jpg]Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them.The post was edited 1 time, last by Sarcasmtheelf ().
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OzJacko wrote:
Not really unless you are very remote or a small child etc. Fatalities from our various snakes are very rare. But you need to act correctly. Pressure bandage. Immobilise the limb and as far as practical, the person. Recent studies are suggesting that for most healthy adults antivenom is not really necessary. Remember that our snakes while highly venomous, inject very small quantities. You will be very ill for a while though.
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Spiders are not that bad really although the trapdoor on the east coast is a problem for small children.
Our bees are harmless (the natives).
We have honey bees that sting and sometimes outbreaks of the European wasp which are ruthlessly destroyed by the Agriculture Dept whenever found.
Biggest killers of tourists are car accidents and drownings.Resident Australian, proving being a grumpy old man is not just an American trait. -
OzJacko wrote:
Spiders are not that bad really although the trapdoor on the east coast is a problem for small children.
Our bees are harmless (the natives).
We have honey bees that sting and sometimes outbreaks of the European wasp which are ruthlessly destroyed by the Agriculture Dept whenever found.
Biggest killers of tourists are car accidents and drownings.
Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them. -
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I consider chances of getting bit by a snke about nil while hiking. I have walked by several rattlesnakes tht I never whould have known agout if not for other hikers. The few times I was rattled at was because I stopped in what they considered their danger zone. A step or two aside averted all danger even though I was initially in striking distance. I've even had two encounters with the "Agressive" & highly tocix Green Mojave Diamondback. Just leaving it alone prevnted a bite. Unless you mess with them they don't want to bite you!
I do know one person tat was bitten...in SD while rebuilding a stone wall on his property he distuerbed their lair. In his mid 80's he spent a few days in the hospital but was working his butt of with me the following week.
I never worry about snakes, or mountain lions & bears only in problem areas. I'm more scared of ticks & lymes! 10 times over -
Can't find the wildlife thread so I'll put this here.
hammockforums.net/forum/showth…7-Mountain-Lion-Stand-OffI may grow old but I'll never grow up. -
TrafficJam wrote:
WiseOldOwl wrote:
Yea, this belongs in the political forum. Besides when was the last time anyone else here stepped on a snake?
hikerboy wrote:
jeesh-its not a political thread,its enlightening to find out that snakebite treatment is very very expensive.
Serious HB I hope you never break a leg, get bites, or get sick. You won't be singing how great the Obamacare Monopoly is after that.
[IMG:http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/opus_bill.gif]Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!The post was edited 2 times, last by Wise Old Owl ().
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Years ago I was crossing a large corn field to get to the start of a fishing path that ran besides the Octoraro creek. If this helps you - its much like getting hit by a rubber ball hard on the leg. I stopped observed the snake as it took off was not poisonous and limped back to the car bleeding. I drove the hour home and iced it up. 3 weeks later I got the encapsulation of puss deep under the skin, about the size of a half dollar removed with surgery.Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!
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WiseOldOwl wrote:
TrafficJam wrote:
WiseOldOwl wrote:
Yea, this belongs in the political forum. Besides when was the last time anyone else here stepped on a snake?
hikerboy wrote:
jeesh-its not a political thread,its enlightening to find out that snakebite treatment is very very expensive.
Serious HB I hope you never break a leg, get bites, or get sick. You won't be singing how great the Obamacare Monopoly is after that.
[IMG:http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/opus_bill.gif]
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hikerboy wrote:
WiseOldOwl wrote:
TrafficJam wrote:
WiseOldOwl wrote:
Yea, this belongs in the political forum. Besides when was the last time anyone else here stepped on a snake?
hikerboy wrote:
jeesh-its not a political thread,its enlightening to find out that snakebite treatment is very very expensive.
[IMG:http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/opus_bill.gif]
Try one of these next time...
[IMG:http://images.clipartpanda.com/rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-smiley-face-happy-tears-smiley-emoticon.gif]Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you! -
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
I'm far more scared of your spiders than I am of your snakes. Though in fairness that has more to do with my own phobias than anything else.
What are your bees like? I never hear much about them.
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TrafficJam wrote:
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
I'm far more scared of your spiders than I am of your snakes. Though in fairness that has more to do with my own phobias than anything else.
What are your bees like? I never hear much about them.
Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them. -
TrafficJam wrote:
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
I'm far more scared of your spiders than I am of your snakes. Though in fairness that has more to do with my own phobias than anything else.
What are your bees like? I never hear much about them.
I may grow old but I'll never grow up.
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