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why do canister stoves fail in the cold winter?
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Good information explained in simple terms. Comes at the right time for winter season hiking. Unless, like me, you happen to be going to FL to hike. I may not even carry a stove this season.Changes Daily→ ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫ ♪♫♪♫♪♫ ← Don't blame me. It's That Lonesome Guitar.
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Unfortunately they did not mention remote and inverted canister stoves. These canister stoves are meant for winter backpacking and usually have a tube the preheats the mixture.
The MSR Windpro is among the more well known remote /inverted canister stoves, but there are others.
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First thing I thought of was what my dad told me about Everest and their mixed liquid gases Clearly if you know its going to fail - you don't want to carry it. This is used at Everest and the mix may be different , so here in America - the lay out is for 6000 feet and cold temps and liquid fuel although harder to use is still the go to fuel.
"high altitude fuel is of two types. Above 7000 metres/23,000 feet we use
imported propane/butane 250 gramme canisters. Below 7000 metres/23,000
feet we refill the canisters with propane gas. Liquid fuel does not work
above 6000 metres/19,700 feet so we don't use liquid fuel above
basecamp or advanced basecamp."
Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!The post was edited 2 times, last by Wise Old Owl ().
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Liquid Gas Stoves
are the proven workhorses of backcountry cooking and will perform
equally well in every season of the year. The set-up is generally
characterized by a fuel bottle
with an integrated pump that connects remotely to a freestanding stove
body via a fuel line. Unlike canister stove systems, this set-up
requires some experience and a little practice to properly operate, and
it requires occasional maintenance to ensure maximum performance.
Although not as user-friendly or lightweight as a canister system,
liquid gas stoves provide certain advantages to the backcountry traveler
where other systems fall short.
Liquid gas stoves typically run on white gas, also known as camp fuel
or naphtha. White gas burns exceptionally hot and generally cranks out
more BTUs than a canister stove, which ultimately gives you a greater
range of culinary ability in the backcountry. Before loading a fuel
bottle in your pack, it’s important to make sure that the cap on the
bottle is closed tightly. Not only will spilled liquid fuel create a
fire hazard, it will leave your pack and gear smelling like a truck
stop. Also, be sure to leave an air space when you refill the fuel
bottle, as gas will expand as the temperature rises, and the excess
pressure could potentially create a hazard. Because the gas is in a
liquid state, you have to manually pump the plunger in the fuel bottle
to create the pressure that will supply the burner. While this may seem
like an inconvenience, a manual pump is among the versatile benefits
afforded by a liquid fuel system. Unlike canister stoves which can be
rendered useless by freezing temperatures, liquid gas systems are
unaffected by winter weather, mainly because the pump allows you to
create your own pressure and compensate for lower temperatures. The
performance of a canister stove will also decrease as the amount of the
gas in the canister drops. Once again, because you create your own
pressure with a liquid fuel stove, you can maintain consistent
performance throughout the entire fuel bottle.
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socks wrote:
My 25 year old coleman peak 1 is still goin strong.
I got that state of the art piece of gear in '84', I'm sure it still works, replaced it with the Whisperlite in '2000'. They are both resting in the 'Non-essential camping gear' shelves.Cheesecake> Ramen -
Ditto here, I have a 25+ year old Whisperlite and a 10 year old Simmerlite. I know the latter works, the former mostly just needs some TLC. Whisperlite accompanied me from Springer to Pearisburg in 1990, worked flawlessly. Simmerlite has only ever been on one or two short sections, probably been lit less than 20 times.
I carried a Sierra Zip stove for a couple hundred AT miles, and then around 2006 switched to canisters. Never did get comfy with alky stoves.
PS, if anyone would like to purchase/bid one of these, let me know. No reasonable offer refused...
- Whisperlite ~1989
- Simmerlite ~2005
- fuel canisters for above
- Sierra Zip stove (have spare fan motor somewhere if I can find it) ~ 2002
- Jetboil (igniter doesn't work, no biggie) ~2005
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LDog wrote:
I still have my brass Svea I bought from REI in 1972 ...
I just replaced one for my dad. I have one brand new in a box. not sure what I am going to do with it..
Still have loads of white gas... more than 8 gallons.Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you! -
WiseOldOwl wrote:
LDog wrote:
I still have my brass Svea I bought from REI in 1972 ...
I just replaced one for my dad. I have one brand new in a box. not sure what I am going to do with it..
Still have loads of white gas... more than 8 gallons.
what in the world are you planning to do with 8 gallons of white gas?2,000 miler -
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LDog wrote:
I still have my brass Svea I bought from REI in 1972 ...
Mine goes back to 1968 or 9. I've used it from -20 F to 90+ F, and from Alabama to Arizona to Nova Scotia to Alaska. Always works with no fuss. I got each of my kids one when they grew up.
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feral bill wrote:
LDog wrote:
I still have my brass Svea I bought from REI in 1972 ...
Mine goes back to 1968 or 9. I've used it from -20 F to 90+ F, and from Alabama to Arizona to Nova Scotia to Alaska. Always works with no fuss. I got each of my kids one when they grew up.
Air travel is the only downside.
At -20F my preferred stove is the one out back at Applebees.
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OzJacko wrote:
Pour it into mouse holes and light it....
alas no we owls prefer shelter mice lightly breaded and toasted, not flame broiled. I need a delicate smoky flavor.
The gallons of white gas was part of a prepper storage unit to supply 6 months of food survival for three people in house. There are two white gas Colman stoves that are dual burner. One that can run on pure gasoline and a back up separate wood burner. I also have a complete antique iron cook system in case of full wood cooking. I am sitting on some $1000 dollars of backed up food, bread making, beans, and rice. Rotating storage and adding to it. Much of this is cans and tins for dry storage, I have shared a few systems on the survival blogs to help others avoid power outages, in fact when the power goes out for days, I don't need a generator, you can guess the rest.Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you! -
Oh we now know the shelf life of Svea is 20+ years and the rubber seals then fail... love the fireball!Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!
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OzJacko wrote:
Pour it into mouse holes and light it....
Explain that one to the USFS after they put out the fire.I am human and I need to be loved - just like everybody else does -
OzJacko wrote:
Pour it into mouse holes and light it....
Why did I just picture Mrs. Brisby and Auntie Shrew racing around with their fur on fire yelling for help from the rats?
(On the other hand, setting gas in a pan next to fire-ant mounds and letting the vapors settle before igniting them usually had a nice 'fwump' sound followed by around 30-40 smoking spots in the yard... and a lot less ants...)_________________________________________________
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WiseOldOwl wrote:
Oh we now know the shelf life of Svea is 20+ years and the rubber seals then fail... love the fireball! -
socks wrote:
My 25 year old coleman peak 1 is still goin strong.
Just saw this. You've still got a peak on that works!?!
I had one for years, it's still around but the seals are all shot. Damage done after I made the mistake of letting my patrol leader borrow it on a campout when I was about 15.Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them. -
AdventureMyk wrote:
OzJacko wrote:
Pour it into mouse holes and light it....
Why did I just picture Mrs. Brisby and Auntie Shrew racing around with their fur on fire yelling for help from the rats?
(On the other hand, setting gas in a pan next to fire-ant mounds and letting the vapors settle before igniting them usually had a nice 'fwump' sound followed by around 30-40 smoking spots in the yard... and a lot less ants...)
Ever try scooping up one fire ant mound with a shove, running across the yard and then dumping it on another fire ant mound? It results in a near instant epic ant battle as each nest tries to fight off the sudden "invaders".Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them. -
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
socks wrote:
My 25 year old coleman peak 1 is still goin strong.
Just saw this. You've still got a peak on that works!?!
I had one for years, it's still around but the seals are all shot. Damage done after I made the mistake of letting my patrol leader borrow it on a campout when I was about 15. -
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
Ever try scooping up one fire ant mound with a shove, running across the yard and then dumping it on another fire ant mound? It results in a near instant epic ant battle as each nest tries to fight off the sudden "invaders".
No, I missed that one but when I lived in Gainesville, Fla I had the misfortune of trying to teach myself to wheelie a YZ-250 motocross bike through the gears and ended up clutching a bit too rough. Result? Slid into a rather nasty cactus. So I'm sitting there pulling out these 1-2" long cactus needles from just about every part of my body including those I don't want to mention when I realized I was feeling a heck of a lot more stings than the cactus could account for. It turns out the cactus I landed on happened to be the main entrance to a HUGE fire ant nest. As in trying to get up my feet sank drawing more of the irate little multi-leggers out.
Now comes the fun part: With my normally white and red race bike a seething mass of orange and grey I beat feet a few hundred yards to the nearest house while stripping myself of ant-covered clothes. All of them... I found a hose with a sprayer attached (thankfully) and was power-washing the little beasties when the cops arrived. Apparently the elderly lady at the house thought I was some sort of an insane teenager who was on drugs but once she found out what had happened she was the first to find me a set of sweat pants while calling all of her friends over to hear the story... I've never been so embarrassed, especially as a few of the officers that responded were my neighbors. Did I mention they were female officers? <sigh>
I hate ants..._________________________________________________
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