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change.org petition against new AMC hut in Crawford Notch
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Rasty wrote:
milkman wrote:
Da Wolf wrote:
i'm all for it. bring it on
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
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CoachLou wrote:
LIhikers wrote:
Rasty wrote:
max.patch wrote:
Rasty wrote:
max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
Richard Ewell, CSA General -
CoachLou wrote:
LIhikers wrote:
Rasty wrote:
max.patch wrote:
Rasty wrote:
max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
Richard Ewell, CSA General -
OzJacko wrote:
As I am always right, I prefer the description dissertation.
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
Richard Ewell, CSA General -
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Astro wrote:
To prepare for me doing the Whites I believe the AMC should take some of that money and put sky lifts on the way up and zip lines down.
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
Richard Ewell, CSA General -
Astro wrote:
So which do you think was uglier, the Gremlin or the Pacer?
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Astro wrote:
OzJacko wrote:
As I am always right, I prefer the description dissertation.
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socks wrote:
Astro wrote:
OzJacko wrote:
As I am always right, I prefer the description dissertation.
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
Richard Ewell, CSA General -
hikerboy wrote:
Astro wrote:
To prepare for me doing the Whites I believe the AMC should take some of that money and put sky lifts on the way up and zip lines down.
The road to glory cannot be followed with much baggage.
Richard Ewell, CSA General -
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Not that it matters but, I like Gremlins... and Mag's you still SATISFY. Its all good...
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HB here it is very bluntly... No regrets. No drama, Much like a debate. The energy level is not there, for both of us... Mags has me on block IDGAD. But here it is - I get it. I dont care who is right. Its about critical thinking. I am not trying to win. But folks that read this will question the issues that matter.
I debate - because that is what I did do in college.
Folks, if you read this far.... There is no way you can raise a building on state land or federal without a study of the property. Period. Years ago they dropped a steel pipe and covered it and paved it. Under the current regulation a state park culvert in PA takes two to three years due to conservation.Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!The post was edited 1 time, last by Wise Old Owl ().
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WiseOldOwl wrote:
HB here it is very bluntly... No regrets. No drama, its OK you appear to not be able to handle an argument. Much like a debate. The energy level is not there, for both of us... Mags has me on block IDGAD. But here it is - I get it. I dont care who is right,so long as it's me. Its about critical thinking. I am not trying to win. But folks that read this will question the issues that matter.
I debate - because that is what I did do in college.
Folks, if you read this far.... There is no way you can raise a building on state land or federal without a study of the property. Period. Years ago they dropped a steel pipe and covered it and paved it. Under the current regulation a state park culvert in PA takes two to three years due to conservation.
"Dazed and Confused"
Recycle, re-use, re-purpose
Plant a tree
Take a kid hiking
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jimmyjam wrote:
WiseOldOwl wrote:
HB here it is very bluntly... No regrets. No drama, its OK you appear to not be able to handle an argument. Much like a debate. The energy level is not there, for both of us... Mags has me on block IDGAD. But here it is - I get it. I dont care who is right. Its about critical thinking. I am not trying to win,so long as it's me. But folks that read this will question the issues that matter.I debate - because that is what I did do in college.
Folks, if you read this far.... There is no way you can raise a building on state land or federal without a study of the property. Period. Years ago they dropped a steel pipe and covered it and paved it. Under the current regulation a state park culvert in PA takes two to three years due to conservation.
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I know all about working with government agencies- DEQ, VMC, DOT, Corps of Engineers, not to mention local Planning, Zoning, Public Works, Utilities, and Building Inspection. I sometimes work on land development projects.The paperwork and hoops you must jump thru are unreal but there is good reason behind all of it."Dazed and Confused"
Recycle, re-use, re-purpose
Plant a tree
Take a kid hiking
Make a difference -
WiseOldOwl wrote:
jimmyjam wrote:
WiseOldOwl wrote:
HB here it is very bluntly... No regrets. No drama, its OK you appear to not be able to handle an argument. Much like a debate. The energy level is not there, for both of us... Mags has me on block IDGAD. But here it is - I get it. I dont care who is right. Its about critical thinking. I am not trying to win,so long as it's me. But folks that read this will question the issues that matter.I debate - because that is what I did do in college.
Folks, if you read this far.... There is no way you can raise a building on state land or federal without a study of the property. Period. Years ago they dropped a steel pipe and covered it and paved it. Under the current regulation a state park culvert in PA takes two to three years due to conservation.
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dictionary.reference.com/browse/sconceits all good -
Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you!
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WiseOldOwl wrote:
Lost in the right direction. -
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LIhikers wrote:
Did I miss something in the articles?
Did it say somewhere that there were no studies and no approvals?
I don't remember seeing that.
I don't know, I thought we were just talking about building in general .
I'm not sure what "the petition is a lie" means.Lost in the right direction. -
LIhikers wrote:
Did I miss something in the articles?
Did it say somewhere that there were no studies and no approvals?
I don't remember seeing that.
This goes back to the first post.... its in the petition. Chris started the petition
Ben Rattray The 32-year-old law school dropout runs one of the biggest sites on the Web for anyone seeking to pressure politicians, corporations or others with a public shame campaign. Change.org is best known for helping Trayvon Martin’s parents get the man who shot him arrested, ending Bank of America‘s $5 monthly checking account fees and helping Bettina Siegel get the U.S. Department of Agriculture to ban “pink slime” from school lunches. But the site’s greater impact may be the thousands of lesser-known petitions–15,000 are created monthly–started by everyday Joes who blast their call for signatures through their e-mail directories and social networks. Responding to one of these petitions is the ultimate in armchair slacktivism. Check a box because a friend of a friend tells you to, and you have done something good for the day. Change.org now has 20 million members and is adding 2 million a month.
The service is free, and with a name like Change.org the company even sounds like a not-for-profit. But it’s not. It was founded in 2007 and spent the better part of two years flailing around for a profitable business model until Rattray hit upon a clever approach. Change.org charges groups for the privilege of sponsoring petitions that are matched to users who have similar interests. For example, when a person signs a petition about education and clicks “submit,” a box pops up and shows five sponsored petitions on education to also sign. If a user leaves a box checked that says “Keep me updated on this campaign and others,” the sponsor can then send e-mails directly to that person. It’s not clear from the check box that your e-mail address is being sold to a not-for-profit. Rattray says an imminent site redesign will make the company’s business model more transparent. Change.org has 300 paying clients, including Sierra Club, Credo Wireless and Amnesty International, and its revenue so far this year is $15 million.
Some of the petitioners FORBES spoke with didn’t know Change was a for-profit. Rattray says the .org connotes the company’s social mission, and it is a certified B Corporation, which means a social mission is written into its bylaws. But he acknowledges the messaging could be better and plans to improve it: “We need to be better about telling about that combination.”Be wise enough to walk away from the nonsense around you! -
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I did start the change.org petition, seems like a good tool to me. I don't have facebook; it's spread because of a group effort.
10 or 12 people were present at the Wiley house informational as it was announced a week before hand, and was held at 4:00 on a Thursday during the height of summer. Before the petition, the state had only received 62 comments. Regardless of position, I felt that was a week turnout for something I consider to be significant. Now, NPR will be doing a story with representatives from the AMC and folks who would like to see the Notch preserved.
And yes, there has been no research completed, including impact and environmental surveys which are required by the state before entering a lease agreement. A lease value has not been determined. These all should have been available during the open comment period which has now ended: how is it feasible to assess this without the right information?
Furthermore, this new hut will be built within the confines of Hart's Location, which has no commercial zoning and is unlikely to grant a variance. There are some legal hurdles here that make this whole thing fishy at best. -
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Chris Magness wrote:
I did start the change.org petition, seems like a good tool to me. I don't have facebook; it's spread because of a group effort.
10 or 12 people were present at the Wiley house informational as it was announced a week before hand, and was held at 4:00 on a Thursday during the height of summer. Before the petition, the state had only received 62 comments. Regardless of position, I felt that was a week turnout for something I consider to be significant. Now, NPR will be doing a story with representatives from the AMC and folks who would like to see the Notch preserved.
And yes, there has been no research completed, including impact and environmental surveys which are required by the state before entering a lease agreement. A lease value has not been determined. These all should have been available during the open comment period which has now ended: how is it feasible to assess this without the right information?
Furthermore, this new hut will be built within the confines of Hart's Location, which has no commercial zoning and is unlikely to grant a variance. There are some legal hurdles here that make this whole thing fishy at best.
I believe that's called pullin' a "Pulosi"
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