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Quote from Da Wolf: “hey bird brain, you gonna say somethin'? or just lurk? :)” Neither... or both. I am trying to obtain a couple addresses so I can share a recent gram weenie innovation. Maybe someone can help. Is OMO's initials TC? I have an address that I think is his, but am uncertain.

Quote from Astro: “Quote from BirdBrain: “Quote from hikerboy: “Quote from LDog: “I'm guessin' Twistwrist did not foresee this thread going in this direction ...” at least we didnt provide her with alternative tips for toothpaste dots.” Baking soda in pill zip lock. Colgate wisp for brush. Wet brush. Dip into zip lock. What sticks to brush is enough.” BB, great to see you back where you belong. :thumbup:” I am currently consumed by a few projects that have nothing to do with hiking. All is well.…

Quote from hikerboy: “Quote from LDog: “I'm guessin' Twistwrist did not foresee this thread going in this direction ...” at least we didnt provide her with alternative tips for toothpaste dots.” Baking soda in pill zip lock. Colgate wisp for brush. Wet brush. Dip into zip lock. What sticks to brush is enough.

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Calm down folks. I just want to read for a while.

Quote from rocksNsocks: “I understand BB, sorry I missed you ole friend.” This means more to me than you know RS. I thought I drove you away. I can needle and needle and needle. I view it as competing for an idea to discover and/or debate its veracity. I do it in real life too. I have been told by many people it comes off another way. It is never my intent. Back to lurking. Had to address everyone's buddy... RS.

Quote from jimmyjam: “so has anybody out there other than me eaten a bear?” I have.

youtube.com/watch?v=bG6b3V2MNxQ Thanks guys for all the tips, strategies, advice, and knowledge. I have stated many times that my primary purpose in being on this site is the selfish acquisition of information that benefits me. I am a consumer of information. I live with the knowledge that the world is full of people that know how to do it better than me. In the case of hiking, there are many good ways to do it. It was my quest here to find those people and glean everything from them in hopes th…

Quote from rafe: “Too much planning smacks of hubris. ” Nice. Very nice. I plan way too much. That is no secret. I must be one arrogant bastard

My preference to research known water supplies and to carry just enough between each known water supply and to plan my days accordingly. I guess this reveals another preference of mine.I plan for the trail. I like seeing people but my plan is not effected by people. It is all about the trail for me. If there is a party short of my plan, I am not stopping. I understand those that do. I wonder if anyone understands why I don't.

That is logical too. I can see that reasoning. Really don't understand the reaction to my preference though. There is a term in economics called an opportunity cost. The opportunity cost of my unwillingness to carry contingency water is that I don't get to be flexible. The opportunity cost of your desire to have options is the added weight of water. I really don't understand how that is a concept that should draw such ire. It is a choice, not an evil or irresponsible act. I am grasping why the o…

Quote from AnotherKevin: “BB: I, too, plan on reliable water sources. You never heard me say anything about "what if the next source is dry?" But I do a fair amount of hiking on bone-dry ridges. Sometimes I carry extra water to avoid a descent. Sometimes I carry a lot of extra water so that I can decide during the hike when I want to descend, rather than being forced into it by low water supply. Sometimes I'll come upon one of the less-reliable water sources and top off, to keep the flexibility …

Quote from rafe: “Quote from BirdBrain: “I don't run out of water anywhere because I plan around reliable water sources. If Rainbow Lake or the Kennebec River run dry I guess I might get kidney stones. If you are looking for the next puddle, you deserve to be thirsty. The way my plan is being portrayed is breathtaking.” In what way have you been misunderstood, Birdbrain? And what's with these "reliable water sources?" On the one hand you suggest that we might save precious ounces by carrying les…

I don't run out of water anywhere because I plan around reliable water sources. If Rainbow Lake or the Kennebec River run dry I guess I might get kidney stones. If you are looking for the next puddle, you deserve to be thirsty. The way my plan is being portrayed is breathtaking.

Quote from AnotherKevin: “ I'm also kind of lazy, and I'll often carry an extra litre of water to avoid descending to a water source and climbing up again. That's also engineer style: design in a safety margin and then don't worry too much about it.” How do you know it is a safety margin if you do not plan for where reliable water can be found and then calculate what said safety margin will be? That is like saying I plan on buying 15% extra shingles for my roof, but I am not going to measure my …

Quote from A.T.Lt: “Quote from AnotherKevin: “Quote from A.T.Lt: “Its more than I hiked this past weekend You're doing something right” I'll forgive you for not knowing what an insult that is on this site! "Doing it all wrong" is our mission statement! I've got my journal up to date : trailjournals.com/AnotherKevin and there are a whole bunch more pictures on Flickr .” Thank you for your forgiveness!!! Im obviously "doing it ALL wrong!!" :)” Ya', right! Move over amateur.

Quote from hikerboy: “speaking of planning I just got the guide book to the Idaho Centennial Trail” You are on your own. I have said too much already. Maybe you should start a thread.

It absolutely blows my mind that detailed planning between known water sources can be such a controversial subject. Has anyone noticed that nuance? I am not talking about unreliable springs or rills.