wow that is cheap. i wonder how it would hold up on the trail. i use one i made with primaloft insulation.

isnt a chinese goose known as a cat?

I know they used to buy a lot of chicken feet (and other parts) from the USA. Probably still do.

BTW, I saw something the other day about the Russian refusing to buy USA food helping drive our prices down.

too cheep not warm enough...sorry, waste of money. IMO

well just for that, im no longer buying russian food.

besides we'd probably be better off if we didnt buy most "american food"

HB, the impact to you might be if they stop selling us oil what it will do to our fuel prices. Perhaps selling/leasing more hybrids than SUVs.

we have plenty of oil and are the largest exporters of gasoline in the world.with everything thats going on in the mideast, oil prices have remained pretty stable.most of our imported oil is from canada and mexico, either way change is always good when it comes to selling cars. theres a sucker born every day.a guy will trade in a car and spend 10 grand to save a coupla hundred a year on gas.

HB, there you go, as long as you know the angles to take, you will be fine. Part of what makes a good salesman I guess.

I bought the JC Penny version for my daughter two years ago. It is fairly warm.

I use vest for the "in between times". Certainly good enough this past weekend at 11200' when the wife and I were camping. A 100 wt fleece pullover and this vest was more than toasty for the cool weather in the early evening. I would not want to wear it constantly, but it does make a quick item to pull out for breaks or hanging in camp. If I did some three season hiking back East, I'd probably take it with the 100 wt fleece pullover.

As an aside, Mrs Mags has the Costco women's version and she loves it. A bit less boxy and "prettier" than the men's version!

rei.com/product/855177/patagonia-nano-puff-jacket-mens

Down is best suited for sitting around camp. Clearly its a winner for not exercising and sitting around in very cold temps. Down and Dri Down absorbs water, the latter a lot less water. Dri Down is not chemicals per say its extra mono spikes of electrons to add repellant to water.

A deeper understanding is required, our Military made it thru the chill of Afghanistan due to Polartec clothing 300 weight. & Goretex.

Polartec fleece, Gore & Dupont fibers ( Look Carefully - lots of stuff that ends up in Sleeping bags.)

The owl would graciously like some likes for the historical effort of fiber...

DuPont™ Sorona® Adds to a Legacy in Fiber Technology Innovation
DuPont has been the world leader in polymer and fiber technology
since the early 1900's. From the first plastic-coated fabrics developed
in the 1910s to ground-breaking fibers like the versatile nylon,
neoprene rubber fabric, elastic Lycra®, bullet-proof Kevlar®, and even
Tyvek® and Teflon®, DuPont has created extraordinary textile products
that have transformed contemporary living. As DuPont continues to
develop new innovations in fiber technology, this timeline will grow.

2000s
Grand Opening of the DuPont Tate & Lyle BioProducts Facility in
Loudon, Tennessee, which manufactures natural and renewably sourced
ingredients such as bio-based propanediol, a key ingredient of DuPont™
Sorona®.
DuPont and Tate & Lyle PLC form a joint venture, DuPont Tate
& Lyle BioProducts, to create materials from renewable resources
like glucose.
DuPont™ Sorona® renewably sourced fiber is commercially available for carpet and a wide range of apparel.

1990s
Tactel® nylon fabrics used in apparel
Thermolite® thin insulation battings
Thermoloft® battings for protective outerwear insulation
Quallofirm® pillows
High Trek® blended yarns
Comforel® pillows

1980s
Quallofil® battings for sleeping bag insulation
Supplex® nylon fiber for active outdoor apparel
Coolmax® fabrics for active outdoor and performance apparel
Softer Dacron® polyester
Corebond® fibers for bedding
Thermax® fabrics for outerwear
Ultratech Orlon® acrylic

1970s
Hollofil® fibers for pillow and upholstery insulation
Typar® spun-bonded polypropylene for road building, drainage systems, inversion roofing, and landscaping
Sontara® spunlaced fabric for lint-free apparel including hospital masks and surgical gowns and baby wipes.

1960s
Kevlar® aramid fiber for ballistic and stab-resistant body armor and gloves
Antron® nylon fiber
Lycra® spandex fiber for apparel, providing comfort stretch and freedom of movement
Nomex® aramid fiber, best known for firefighters’ apparel
Tyvek® spun-bonded olefin for housing construction and for envelopes
Teflon® FEP-fluorocarbon monofilament fiber

1950s
Dacron® polyester fiber for apparel
Teflon® fabric protector
Dacron® polyester fiberfill

1940s
Orlon® acrylic fiber for use in women’s sweaters, blankets, and carpets.

1930s
Nylon fiber
Neoprene synthetic rubber

1920s
Cordura® high-tenacity rayon for apparel and textiles.
Rayon fiber
Acetate fiber

Gore the parent company of Gortex broke off and started what we know as some of the best military clothing available and it marrys with Polartec garments. Gore is also into medical devices surrounding the heart.

So what do the fibers all have in common? When used in Backpacking they have three important properties -

1. Smaller or thinner than human hair
2. Do not absorb water
3 The fibers trap air and hold it very close to the skin.

Stuff you need to know before you freeze your buttock's off!