Sawyer Squeeze

BirdBrain · Oct 1st 2014, 10:10am

milkman wrote:

Excellent! Good idea. Not only do you gain 2oz, in the filter you gain (x) amount of grains in one bottle cap.

Don't you mean 56.7 grams?

milkman · Oct 1st 2014, 10:25am

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

Excellent! Good idea. Not only do you gain 2oz, in the filter you gain (x) amount of grains in one bottle cap.

Don't you mean 56.7 grams?

Putting it simply, I guess that's what I mean.
One thing about a permanent mounting to the mini is what if the cap cracks or a piece breaks off. Now your stuck with jagged pieces on the filter. Then again as someone else mentioned at $20 your talking disposable. Then again you can "what if" anything to death.

BirdBrain · Oct 1st 2014, 10:30am

milkman wrote:

. Then again you can "what if" anything to death.

Don't go there. That is my job. Back off.

CoachLou · Oct 1st 2014, 10:30am

I need some time to watch all these vids, before I go to Maryland next week!!!! :cursing:

BirdBrain · Oct 1st 2014, 10:34am

CoachLou wrote:

I need some time to watch all these vids, before I go to Maryland next week!!!!

No need. I will make it "perfect". I will post about my "perfection". I will criticize all that don't do it my "perfect" way. You can copy my "perfect" way... or get criticized too.

HBBH (Hike BirdBrain's Hike).

max.patch · Oct 1st 2014, 10:38am

thats a great movie BB.

BirdBrain · Oct 1st 2014, 10:43am

I agree. This is one of my favorite clips. I post it here once in a while when things are getting too much out of control for my tastes.

milkman · Oct 1st 2014, 10:51am

BirdBrain wrote:

HBBH (Hike BirdBrain's Hike).

Don't you mean HBBHOE.
(it doesn't mean HikerBoy B a HOE).
It means Hike BirdBrains Hike Or Else.

BirdBrain · Oct 2nd 2014, 1:07am

Well I have been playing. You guys shamed me into the mini. Here is my new setup.

First the old setup. 6.0 oz for just the bailer/storage container, regular Sawyer Squeeze, and 32 oz bag. It worked good, but I was going to add a couple conveniences that I have added to the mini.

Here is the new setup. 4.1 oz with a few more bells and whistles. The storage container/ bailer and funnel is made out of a Poland Spring 50.7 oz bottle. I chose this because of the size, weight, and ribs that allow for locking storage.

Here are the parts laid out. Their function will be made clearer by the next picture.

The funnel is attached to the dirty bag using a Poland Spring cap and a Coke cap glued and drilled. I will use my bandana for a pre-filter when warranted. The filter has a plug in the dirty side. This is made out of a thin piece of plastic glued to the top of a Coke bottle. The clean side has a flip-top cap and a Zero Water adapter attached. The adapter is made out of a top of a Coke bottle and a Zero Water cap. The adapter has 4 tiny holes drilled in it to allow air to escape while filling. The small zip lock is for clean storage of the parts that go on the clean side of the filter.

milkman · Oct 2nd 2014, 1:04pm

I like the funnel. I'm not sold on the multitude of caps. I sorta understand the necessity. I was thinking I could use my cap to cap in the same way. Funnel to dirty bag - and then cross contamination came to mind. Then I thought just rinse it good once the dirty bag is filled before connecting to the filter and good water bottle. I got a 2L Evernew water carrier on order. I heard the threading was better that the Platypus. The Platypus works but you have to be somewhat meticulous with it. It can't be too tight and it can't be too loose. I was told the threading on the Evernew's was like the threading on the Sawyer bags which work great but I think I have the old version and haven't even used them.
You wouldn't happen to know how to tell the difference between the bags would you?
I'm pretty sure I got the old ones because I got them at least 3 years ago and probably closer to 4. BBL

BirdBrain · Oct 2nd 2014, 1:18pm

I am thinking of going to the Evernew bag as well. If I can copy enough of you guys, I will have a great system. I would only use it as a backup in sections where water is scarce. I like to carry Zero Water bottles on the front of my backpack straps as my primary water supply. Thus the choice of adapters I made. Platypus makers are idiots for their thread choice. I know nothing about the old Sawyer bags. I am rethinking my pre-filter method. Looking into screens that can be incorporated into the connectors. 25 micron would be fine for me. I just want to get the big chunks out before it gets to the filter.

As far as cross contamination goes, what water would you use to wash the caps? Stream water? Where would you get clean water to rinse it before you filter? I don't think there is a real issue though. Wipe them off and blow them dry. Critters don't live in the dry. They need water. If the caps are dried before you swap locations, you should be fine. I might be wrong. Not an issue for me. I will have separate adapters.

milkman · Oct 2nd 2014, 2:03pm

I would use left over good water. Good to know about critters not being able to live dry. I'm thinking the funnel could also be used as a scoop if necessary. Looking forward to your screen idea.

Traffic Jam · Oct 2nd 2014, 2:47pm

MM, there's a side-by-side comparison photo of the old and new Sawyer bags in this link. I have never had trouble with my Sawyer bags and only carry one. I also don't back flush regularly and never carry the syringe. Should I be?

backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/b…tml?forum_thread_id=72675

milkman · Oct 2nd 2014, 2:59pm

TrafficJam wrote:

MM, there's a side-by-side comparison photo of the old and new Sawyer bags in this link. I have never had trouble with my Sawyer bags and only carry one. I also don't back flush regularly and never carry the syringe. Should I be?

backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/b…tml?forum_thread_id=72675

Very good. Thanks. I do have the old black ones. I'm sure I can use them if I don't try to squeeze them to death. And, I know they would work gravity style.

BirdBrain · Oct 2nd 2014, 5:47pm

milkman wrote:

I would use left over good water. Good to know about critters not being able to live dry. I'm thinking the funnel could also be used as a scoop if necessary. Looking forward to your screen idea.

This is my first try. The new version is the one on the far left. The old one is next to it. It is made from a stainless steel reusable coffee filter. The screen pores are bigger than the 25 micron that I desired. However, I think it would serve my purposes. The screen was cut with a 1" gasket punch. The caps were bored out to 3/4". I will test flow rate when it cures.

BirdBrain · Oct 3rd 2014, 11:07am

The flow rate is fine. I have to enlarge the vent holes on my Zero Water adapter a bit though.

ATM, I am curious about the gravity feed set up photos you posted. How do you avoid the vapor lock in the tornado tube? I would expect the air in the lower container to stop the flow of water like in this video. Start at 1:50.

That is why I drilled the vent holes in my Zero Water adapter. The bags don't require it as you can remove all the air before you start filtering. By the way. I ordered a 1.5 liter EverNew bag today. Thanks for the idea.

Note: I posted the wrong video at first.

milkman · Oct 3rd 2014, 11:31am

I don't screw the cap down tight on the bottom bottle. All I've ever done is screw the bottle on less than snug and back it off a ¼ turn or so. Not even. Like I said, with tap water it will filter 2L in 11½ min. I don't even notice a slow down from the first liter to the second one. I was wondering if there was a difference due to the weight of the water. I may test that to see if there is. You would think there would be but then again maybe not.

BirdBrain · Oct 3rd 2014, 11:39am

milkman wrote:

I don't screw the cap down tight on the bottom bottle. All I've ever done is screw the bottle on less than snug and back it off a ¼ turn or so. Not even. Like I said, with tap water it will filter 2L in 11½ min. I don't even notice a slow down from the first liter to the second one. I was wondering if there was a difference due to the weight of the water. I may test that to see if there is. You would think there would be but then again maybe not.

I posted the wrong video above. I fixed the link.

I resolved my venting issue by drilling holes in the lower cap. If you end up gluing a coke cap to the outlet side of the mini, I suggest you drill 4 1/16" holes in that cap on the sides near the top. It may take some tinkering, but if you get it right you can tighten the lower container and the flow will not be restricted. Leaving it loose might be easier. However, you know me. I don't like doing things the easy way.

milkman · Oct 3rd 2014, 11:53am

BirdBrain wrote:

The flow rate is fine. I have to enlarge the vent holes on my Zero Water adapter a bit though.

ATM, I am curious about the gravity feed set up photos you posted. How do you avoid the vapor lock in the tornado tube? I would expect the air in the lower container to stop the flow of water like in this video. Start at 1:50.

That is why I drilled the vent holes in my Zero Water adapter. The bags don't require it as you can remove all the air before you start filtering. By the way. I ordered a 1.5 liter EverNew bag today. Thanks for the idea.

Note: I posted the wrong video at first.

Yes, yes, yes. Now I see what you're getting at. It don't work bottle to bottle. You gotta have a bag. It's a little bit of tinkerin' with bottles. You gotta squeeze the top bottle and the break the seal and let air back in. I remember it now. That's what prompted me to get the Platypus.

milkman · Oct 3rd 2014, 12:07pm

Here's 2 pics with the filter attached to a SmartWater bottle and a Platypus bag without anything attached to the bottom. the bottle will not let any water through due to vapor lock whereas the bag will.

BirdBrain · Oct 3rd 2014, 12:36pm

milkman wrote:

Here's 2 pics with the filter attached to a SmartWater bottle and a Platypus bag without anything attached to the bottom. the bottle will not let any water through due to vapor lock whereas the bag will.

Had not thought of the top bottle. I was referring to the bottom bottle. Check this out. This is after waiting 1 minute. It will never drain into the bottle without a vent.

This picture does not show it well. The moisture in the bottle is because of tests I am running. Water is not flowing into the bottom bottle. This might be aided by the fact that I have a screen in the caps. Not sure. Either way, it drains well with vent holes drilled in the cap. It is not an issue while using collapsed bags.

milkman · Oct 3rd 2014, 1:00pm

I like the funnel idea. I'm gonna pick up a mini this weekend to fool around with and modify. Might as well. Not gonna be doin' any real hikin' till middle of next month. Maybe a couple 3 day hikes here and there but nothin' to speak of. Probably gonna go with the glued on bottle cap. It looks like you could still use a SmartWater flip top also.

BirdBrain · Oct 3rd 2014, 1:05pm

Here is a better picture.

Check out the 50.7 ounce Poland Spring bottle for the funnel and container. It works great. the ribs allow for a secure fit between the funnel and scoop to create a locked container.

milkman · Oct 3rd 2014, 1:11pm

I like that idea too.

milkman · Oct 4th 2014, 3:35pm

Got the Evernew bag today. Perfect fit to the Sawyer Squeeze.

odd man out · Oct 4th 2014, 8:39pm

I have two Evernew 900 mL bags. Last time I used both for clean water when I had to carry a lot of water. But I spent a long time trying to fill that little Sawyer bag over and over. Will be rigging up a scoop or funnel as above and use one Evernew for dirty water. Maybe rig up a gravity system. Will that Smartwater spout fit on the Evernew bladder so I can ditch the syringe?

BirdBrain · Oct 4th 2014, 8:58pm

I think so.

backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/b…tml?forum_thread_id=78861

jimmyjam · Oct 4th 2014, 9:02pm

odd man out wrote:

I have two Evernew 900 mL bags. Last time I used both for clean water when I had to carry a lot of water. But I spent a long time trying to fill that little Sawyer bag over and over. Will be rigging up a scoop or funnel as above and use one Evernew for dirty water. Maybe rig up a gravity system. Will that Smartwater spout fit on the Evernew bladder so I can ditch the syringe?

It will fit. Cut the top off of the lawyer bag and use it as a bailer to fill the evernew.

milkman · Oct 5th 2014, 12:15am

odd man out wrote:

I have two Evernew 900 mL bags. Last time I used both for clean water when I had to carry a lot of water. But I spent a long time trying to fill that little Sawyer bag over and over. Will be rigging up a scoop or funnel as above and use one Evernew for dirty water. Maybe rig up a gravity system. Will that Smartwater spout fit on the Evernew bladder so I can ditch the syringe?

Don't ask me why but 2L Evernew bag took only 8 min. to run through the filter gravity style where the Platypus took 11½. Maybe it has something to do with a more complete fit. I even filled the bag completely full with no air and connected it to the filter that way to see if a vacuum could be created and it was not. It (the Evernew bag) is a nice product. They say it can even be frozen and used in that manner.

odd man out · Oct 5th 2014, 10:14pm

jimmyjam wrote:

odd man out wrote:

I have two Evernew 900 mL bags. Last time I used both for clean water when I had to carry a lot of water. But I spent a long time trying to fill that little Sawyer bag over and over. Will be rigging up a scoop or funnel as above and use one Evernew for dirty water. Maybe rig up a gravity system. Will that Smartwater spout fit on the Evernew bladder so I can ditch the syringe?

It will fit. Cut the top off of the lawyer bag and use it as a bailer to fill the evernew.

Thanks. Need to go buy a water bottle, I guess. I think I'm going to go with the cut off water bottle as a bailer that doubles as a storage container. Last time I just put everything in a plastic grocery bag, and found that a but hard to manage/pack.

BirdBrain · Oct 5th 2014, 10:35pm

If you use the 50.7oz Poland Spring bottle I did, it weighes 20 grams. Note where I cut the bottle. Count the ribs. This combination seems to be ideal for sizing of container, dipper, and funnel.

BirdBrain · Oct 6th 2014, 1:18pm

milkman wrote:

Got the Evernew bag today. Perfect fit to the Sawyer Squeeze.

Got my 1.5 liter Evernew today. gif.014.gif

I am glad I got the 1.5. I am not sure the 2.0 would have fit in my side pockets. :thumbsup:

Platypus, your company is toast once the word gets out on these things. Far superior bag. You guys better fix your threads before you go out of business. KillMe

Rasty · Oct 6th 2014, 1:30pm

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

Got the Evernew bag today. Perfect fit to the Sawyer Squeeze.

Got my 1.5 liter Evernew today.

I am glad I got the 1.5. I am not sure the 2.0 would have fit in my side pockets.

Platypus, your company is toast once the word gets out on these things. Far superior bag. You guys better fix your threads before you go out of business.

Platypus is a real small part of Cascade Designs business. MSR, Thermarest and SealLine are their main thing.

milkman · Oct 9th 2014, 5:27pm

Got the mini yesterday and attached a SmartWater cap to it. The cap has better threads than a coke bottle and has a ring style gasket instead of a full one like the cokes do and drilling through it was much easier. No gasket to grab the drill bit. Nice filter. For 20 bucks I saved $10 an ounce. Not bad I guess. Cheaper than pot.

BirdBrain · Oct 11th 2014, 11:09pm

BirdBrain wrote:

I resolved my venting issue by drilling holes in the lower cap. If you end up gluing a coke cap to the outlet side of the mini, I suggest you drill 4 1/16" holes in that cap on the sides near the top. It may take some tinkering, but if you get it right you can tighten the lower container and the flow will not be restricted. Leaving it loose might be easier. However, you know me. I don't like doing things the easy way.

milkman wrote:

Got the mini yesterday and attached a SmartWater cap to it. The cap has better threads than a coke bottle and has a ring style gasket instead of a full one like the cokes do and drilling through it was much easier. No gasket to grab the drill bit. Nice filter. For 20 bucks I saved $10 an ounce. Not bad I guess. Cheaper than pot.

ATM, I think I have messed you up. I should have completed my thought. You cannot drill holes in the Smart Water cap and still have the ability to effectively back flush your Sawyer Mini. When you try, water will fly out the drilled holes. My suggestion was intended only if you glue a Coke cap to the filter. That way you have venting for a gravity filter setup and retain the ability to back flush via a Smart Water cap. You might want to glue those holes shut and collapse the EverNew bag before you screw it to the filter for a gravity feed.

milkman · Oct 13th 2014, 11:50am

BirdBrain wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

I resolved my venting issue by drilling holes in the lower cap. If you end up gluing a coke cap to the outlet side of the mini, I suggest you drill 4 1/16" holes in that cap on the sides near the top. It may take some tinkering, but if you get it right you can tighten the lower container and the flow will not be restricted. Leaving it loose might be easier. However, you know me. I don't like doing things the easy way.

milkman wrote:

Got the mini yesterday and attached a SmartWater cap to it. The cap has better threads than a coke bottle and has a ring style gasket instead of a full one like the cokes do and drilling through it was much easier. No gasket to grab the drill bit. Nice filter. For 20 bucks I saved $10 an ounce. Not bad I guess. Cheaper than pot.

ATM, I think I have messed you up. I should have completed my thought. You cannot drill holes in the Smart Water cap and still have the ability to effectively back flush your Sawyer Mini. When you try, water will fly out the drilled holes. My suggestion was intended only if you glue a Coke cap to the filter. That way you have venting for a gravity filter setup and retain the ability to back flush via a Smart Water cap. You might want to glue those holes shut and collapse the EverNew bag before you screw it to the filter for a gravity feed.

Sorry for such a late response. I haven't drilled any venting holes. I have only drilled one hole in the top of the cap that the outlet tube goes through. I still loosely hang a bottle for gravity feed and can put a bag or bottle on tightly for back flushing. I'll take some picks and show you my rig.

Sawyer Squeeze

milkman wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

milkman wrote:

CoachLou wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

TrafficJam wrote:

milkman wrote:

milkman wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

Re: Sawyer Squeeze

odd man out wrote:

odd man out wrote:

jimmyjam wrote:

odd man out wrote:

milkman wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

BirdBrain wrote:

milkman wrote:

Share