Drybones wrote:
Who invented the cat hole?
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Drybones wrote:
Who invented the cat hole?
AnotherKevin wrote:
It's in the Bible. Deuteronomy 23:13.Drybones wrote:
Who invented the cat hole?
Drybones wrote:
I'm thinking that would be the oldest reference to a cat hole....what was it....4500 years ago or so.AnotherKevin wrote:
It's in the Bible. Deuteronomy 23:13.Drybones wrote:
Who invented the cat hole?
JimBlue wrote:
Nicea is when the Bibe was put together... a number of books were used by many peoples in many locations. There was no set of books everyone used that were the same.Drybones wrote:
I'm thinking that would be the oldest reference to a cat hole....what was it....4500 years ago or so.AnotherKevin wrote:
It's in the Bible. Deuteronomy 23:13.Drybones wrote:
Who invented the cat hole?
JimBlue wrote:
Nicea is when the Bibe was put together... a number of books were used by many peoples in many locations. There was no set of books everyone used that were the same.
AnotherKevin wrote:
It's usually believed that the text of the Pentateuch stabilized about the fifth century BCE. Fragments of the Book of Numbers were found in ruins in Jerusalem (at Ketef Hinnom) that are pretty reliably dated to 650-700 BCE. Even if one accepts only the documentary hypothesis, and not Mosaic authorship, the standard text of the Torah is considerably older than the Nicene Council.
JimBlue wrote:
However, the Torah is part of the Old Testament. The Christian Bible is the Old Testament and the New Testament. Nicea made one book, where before there were different versions of the Bible in use in different cities. The Dead Sea Scrolls came about because one group decided their views must be preserved. So they hid them, instead of burning/getting rid of them as ordered.
AnotherKevin wrote:
"it's complicated."
JimBlue wrote:
I noticed the 'She' you used.
AnotherKevin wrote:
The Holy Spirit was She right up until Jerome. Hebrew Shekhina שכינה, Ruach ר֫וּחַ are both feminine, and Greek Pneuma πνεῦμα is neuter but usually takes a feminine pronoun when personified. Jerome chose to translate the words as 'spiritus,' but before the Vulgate, nobody used a masculine pronoun for the Spirit.JimBlue wrote:
I noticed the 'She' you used.
AnotherKevin wrote:
The Holy Spirit was She right up until Jerome. Hebrew Shekhina שכינה, Ruach ר֫וּחַ are both feminine, and Greek Pneuma πνεῦμα is neuter but usually takes a feminine pronoun when personified. Jerome chose to translate the words as 'spiritus,' but before the Vulgate, nobody used a masculine pronoun for the Spirit.JimBlue wrote:
I noticed the 'She' you used.
Astro wrote:
Who would have thought a poll on water treatment would have brought us this.
You gotta love thread drift.
OzJacko wrote:
And yes if I was out of tp I would not hesitate to use a bible or a koran.
OzJacko wrote:
The text of a bible is sacred to a Christian, the text of the koran is to a Muslim.
The actual book is like you say just paper and ink.
If you can use a one as tp you should be able to use both. If you have a feeling of impiety using one then you are insulting the other by discriminating.
I have no feeling of impiety with any hence my readiness to use either.
I haven't mentioned the Torah as much of it is the Old Testament anyway.
All 3 religions are so similar as to not really be separated in my eyes. It is the day to day interpretation of the texts where the three differ, not the texts themselves.
odd man out wrote:
At a church bible study many years ago, our pastor commented that according to our denomination's teachings, divine inspiration that resulted in the authoring of sacred texts ended with the books of the Christian Bible. Other texts that came after that claiming to be written by divine inspiration are heretical. I then pointed out that the Bible wasn't assembled for a few hundred years after the books were written, so by your logic the Bible is potentially flawed. Wouldn't you also have to accept as divine inspiration the council that assembled the current canon? He said "OK you got me, everything else except for that".
OzJacko wrote:
I am very big on morals, very small on beliefs.
hikerboy wrote:
i prefer charminOzJacko wrote:
The text of a bible is sacred to a Christian, the text of the koran is to a Muslim.
The actual book is like you say just paper and ink.
If you can use a one as tp you should be able to use both. If you have a feeling of impiety using one then you are insulting the other by discriminating.
I have no feeling of impiety with any hence my readiness to use either.
I haven't mentioned the Torah as much of it is the Old Testament anyway.
All 3 religions are so similar as to not really be separated in my eyes. It is the day to day interpretation of the texts where the three differ, not the texts themselves.
OzJacko wrote:
The only way I could have foreseen the bible figuring in a privy thread would have been as a substitute for tp...
Drybones wrote:
I treat water with respect.
odd man out wrote:
Good idea. In MI we have 20% of the world's liquid surface fresh water so we tend to take it for granted. Few others have that luxury. Here is the water source at my campsite last week. 3000 cubic miles of nice clear water (I still filtered it though).Drybones wrote:
I treat water with respect.
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Drybones wrote:
Please don't squeeze it.hikerboy wrote:
i prefer charminOzJacko wrote:
The text of a bible is sacred to a Christian, the text of the koran is to a Muslim.
The actual book is like you say just paper and ink.
If you can use a one as tp you should be able to use both. If you have a feeling of impiety using one then you are insulting the other by discriminating.
I have no feeling of impiety with any hence my readiness to use either.
I haven't mentioned the Torah as much of it is the Old Testament anyway.
All 3 religions are so similar as to not really be separated in my eyes. It is the day to day interpretation of the texts where the three differ, not the texts themselves.
Foresight wrote:
That's a legitimate concern. If you have an entrepreneurial spirit and want to help out the lake while making some money having a grand time doing it then you need to get PADI certified and open an Asian Carp spearfishing charter.
Foresight wrote:
That's a legitimate concern. If you have an entrepreneurial spirit and want to help out the lake while making some money having a grand time doing it then you need to get PADI certified and open an Asian Carp spearfishing charter.
Drybones wrote:
Who invented the cat hole?Dan76 wrote:
Through the centuries of warfare, poor field sanitation has caused more casualties than weaponryrafe wrote:
I'm certain he's right about this much: a lot of illnesses seen on hikes come from poor hygiene and from careless food sharing. Not all of it comes from the water. There's just nothing much that's provable with regard to the efficacy of various water treatment systems.
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
I forgot my water filter on my overnight last weekend. Drank almost two gallons of untreated stream water.
Now I have a terrible headcold, just like the one that my son has...clearly I caught it from the water...
odd man out wrote:
Good idea. In MI we have 20% of the world's liquid surface fresh water so we tend to take it for granted. Few others have that luxury. Here is the water source at my campsite last week. 3000 cubic miles of nice clear water (I still filtered it though).Drybones wrote:
I treat water with respect.
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Mountain-Mike wrote:
Did you get tested for Giardia yet?SarcasmTheElf wrote:
I forgot my water filter on my overnight last weekend. Drank almost two gallons of untreated stream water.
Now I have a terrible headcold, just like the one that my son has...clearly I caught it from the water...