Rasty wrote:
also incomplete. Doesn't show any benefits. The devil is in the details.hikerboy wrote:
outdoors.org/pdf/upload/2014-A…f-Independent-Auditor.pdfRasty wrote:
that is a brochure not a financial statement
its all good
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Rasty wrote:
also incomplete. Doesn't show any benefits. The devil is in the details.hikerboy wrote:
outdoors.org/pdf/upload/2014-A…f-Independent-Auditor.pdfRasty wrote:
that is a brochure not a financial statement
Rasty wrote:
Your right. We should never have lost 10 billion bailing out GM.hikerboy wrote:
you need to prioritize. you complain about pennies when we're being swindled by the trillionsRasty wrote:
two wrongs don't make a right
I'm not complaining about the tax support of the AMC. I'm concerned that the AMC only wants those that are well off to be camping along certain parts of the AT. Many people including myself cannot take my family to the whites because it's too expensive to legally camp on the AT there.
Rasty wrote:
The AMC doesn't pay lodging taxes. Does Best Western get the tax payers to pay their lodging taxes. That is the same kind of corporate welfare that Exxon is getting.
hikerboy wrote:
a very simplistic view of the gm bailout. we would have lost hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs if gm was allowed to fail.now look at the trillions lost by banks, the bailout to banks, that was never repayed.Rasty wrote:
Your right. We should never have lost 10 billion bailing out GM. I'm not complaining about the tax support of the AMC. I'm concerned that the AMC only wants those that are well off to be camping along certain parts of the AT. Many people including myself cannot take my family to the whites because it's too expensive to legally camp on the AT there.hikerboy wrote:
you need to prioritize. you complain about pennies when we're being swindled by the trillionsRasty wrote:
two wrongs don't make a right
useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm
marketwatch.com/story/some-ugl…-bank-bailouts-2015-01-29
hikerboy wrote:
the ydont collect a lodging tax, therefore none to pay.Rasty wrote:
The AMC doesn't pay lodging taxes. Does Best Western get the tax payers to pay their lodging taxes. That is the same kind of corporate welfare that Exxon is getting.
Rasty wrote:
They still lost 10 billion on the deal. The company should have failed and something else would have replaced it. It's easy to cast stones at Exxon or GE but it's hard when it's your own employer.hikerboy wrote:
a very simplistic view of the gm bailout. we would have lost hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs if gm was allowed to fail.now look at the trillions lost by banks, the bailout to banks, that was never repayed.Rasty wrote:
Your right. We should never have lost 10 billion bailing out GM. I'm not complaining about the tax support of the AMC. I'm concerned that the AMC only wants those that are well off to be camping along certain parts of the AT. Many people including myself cannot take my family to the whites because it's too expensive to legally camp on the AT there.hikerboy wrote:
you need to prioritize. you complain about pennies when we're being swindled by the trillionsRasty wrote:
two wrongs don't make a right
useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm
marketwatch.com/story/some-ugl…-bank-bailouts-2015-01-29
Rasty wrote:
they are exempt. They should be collecting this if they are a private unsubsidized business. The local area hotels have to collect this, why is the AMC exempt?hikerboy wrote:
the ydont collect a lodging tax, therefore none to pay.Rasty wrote:
The AMC doesn't pay lodging taxes. Does Best Western get the tax payers to pay their lodging taxes. That is the same kind of corporate welfare that Exxon is getting.
hikerboy wrote:
rasty, im not necessarily in favor of this project, but you're really not pursuing the right argument here.
hikerboy wrote:
no , you just dont see the complete picture. gm was by far the largest drec=ditor to auto parts suppliers that also supply toyota, honda, ford and any other auto companies doing business in the us. those parts companies would have been forced into bankruptcy themselves if gm went to liquidation, and hundreds of thousands of jobs would have been lost while we were still deep in recession. GM also had billions of dollars in legacy costs, gm at one time was the largest health care provider in the world.Rasty wrote:
They still lost 10 billion on the deal. The company should have failed and something else would have replaced it. It's easy to cast stones at Exxon or GE but it's hard when it's your own employer.hikerboy wrote:
a very simplistic view of the gm bailout. we would have lost hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs if gm was allowed to fail.now look at the trillions lost by banks, the bailout to banks, that was never repayed. useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htmRasty wrote:
Your right. We should never have lost 10 billion bailing out GM. I'm not complaining about the tax support of the AMC. I'm concerned that the AMC only wants those that are well off to be camping along certain parts of the AT. Many people including myself cannot take my family to the whites because it's too expensive to legally camp on the AT there.hikerboy wrote:
you need to prioritize. you complain about pennies when we're being swindled by the trillionsRasty wrote:
two wrongs don't make a right
marketwatch.com/story/some-ugl…-bank-bailouts-2015-01-29
hikerboy wrote:
if the situation were exactly the same, yes. i honestly believe there were few alternatives that wouldnt have resulted in huge job losses.
btw, although i sell chevys, i can sell anything.
Rasty wrote:
how many miles?max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
max.patch wrote:
only 50k its still a baby. my mechanic has one; 250K and no major problems yet.Rasty wrote:
how many miles?max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
Rasty wrote:
I'm 280000 miles on my 2002 Accord. I'm trying to get to 300000.max.patch wrote:
only 50k its still a baby. my mechanic has one; 250K and no major problems yet.Rasty wrote:
how many miles?max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
Rasty wrote:
I doubt Honda or Nissan would get the same deal. I just can't see it. Your going to love selling Honda one day. I can't kill mine.hikerboy wrote:
if the situation were exactly the same, yes. i honestly believe there were few alternatives that wouldnt have resulted in huge job losses.
btw, although i sell chevys, i can sell anything.
max.patch wrote:
thats awesome. i had a ford explorer i was going to give to my son when he started driving but i came out of the grocery store one day and the engine had caught on fire which totaled it out. i had 243K on that one. of course the ford wasn't exactly maintenance free.Rasty wrote:
I'm 280000 miles on my 2002 Accord. I'm trying to get to 300000.max.patch wrote:
only 50k its still a baby. my mechanic has one; 250K and no major problems yet.Rasty wrote:
how many miles?max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
Rasty wrote:
major work on my hondamax.patch wrote:
thats awesome. i had a ford explorer i was going to give to my son when he started driving but i came out of the grocery store one day and the engine had caught on fire which totaled it out. i had 243K on that one. of course the ford wasn't exactly maintenance free.Rasty wrote:
I'm 280000 miles on my 2002 Accord. I'm trying to get to 300000.max.patch wrote:
only 50k its still a baby. my mechanic has one; 250K and no major problems yet.Rasty wrote:
how many miles?max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
1) Two timing belts
2) alternator
3) starter
4) Three or four batteries
5) changed the transmission fluid
6) belts, hoses
7) filters and fluids
That's it
hikerboy wrote:
well built cars are not good for the economy.i need you to buy or lease a car every three yearsRasty wrote:
major work on my honda1) Two timing beltsmax.patch wrote:
thats awesome. i had a ford explorer i was going to give to my son when he started driving but i came out of the grocery store one day and the engine had caught on fire which totaled it out. i had 243K on that one. of course the ford wasn't exactly maintenance free.Rasty wrote:
I'm 280000 miles on my 2002 Accord. I'm trying to get to 300000.max.patch wrote:
only 50k its still a baby. my mechanic has one; 250K and no major problems yet.Rasty wrote:
how many miles?max.patch wrote:
i think i'm gonna die before my element does.
2) alternator
3) starter
4) Three or four batteries
5) changed the transmission fluid
6) belts, hoses
7) filters and fluids
That's it
planned obsolescence
hikerboy wrote:
i think the op may now have a sense of our attention deficit disorder here.
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
So has anyone dug up more information on the actual proposal?
hikerboy wrote:
no.we got sidetracked.
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
USo has anyone dug up more information on the actual proposal?
I heard you and Rasty took a road trip together...hikerboy wrote:
no.we got sidetracked.
hikerboy wrote:
i appreciate thread drift as much as the next guy, but what does this have to do with the discussion? this deserves its own threadsocks wrote:
Haunted Hotel History
The story of the Stanley Hotel extends back through pre-history when the Estes Valley was a wild and lonely parkland, visited from time to time by wandering tribes of Ute and Arapaho. When early settlers arrived, they stayed because, here on the frontier, they could be truly free.The Earl of Dunraven came in 1872 and jealously coveted this “sportsman’s paradise” of rushing streams and peaceful meadows alive with fish and game. Dunraven sought to possess the valley and create a private hunting preserve. However, his claims were disputed and, as more and more Americans were drawn by the natural beauty of Estes Park, he began to realize that this dream could never be. In 1903, the Yankee inventor Freelan Oscar Stanley arrived, weak and underweight from the symptoms of consumption.
One season spent in the refreshing climate of the wild valley was enough to restore his health to a formidable vigor, and he vowed to return each summer for the rest of his life. However, he and his wife Flora were used to the sophistication of East Coast society and the little community of Estes Park offered little to stimulate and challenge this multi-talented genius. They resolved to build a beautiful grand hotel, the likes of which might only be found in the resorts of the wealthy. Management of such an establishment, they thought, would provide all the diversion they desired. When the Stanley Hotel opened in 1909, the first guests, who pulled up in stylish Stanley-designed steam cars, were astonished. Here in this mountain wilderness, surrounded by the rustic haunts of the hunter and homesteader, was an edifice that withstood comparison with the posh-est hotels “back east.” Electric lights, telephones, en suite bathrooms, a staff of uniformed servants and a fleet of automobiles were at their disposal. Naturally, Stanley had also done much to develop the burgeoning town. By 1917, it was an official municipality with water-works, a power plant, and civic organizations that were all, in some way, thanks to Stanley.
His friendship with naturalist Enos Mills was forged by his tireless efforts towards the creation of the Rocky Mountain National Park, perhaps his most lasting legacy. Flora Stanley played no small part. Everything Freelan did was because of his devotion to Flora. Despite her failing eyesight, she worked among the local ladies’ organizations to help her husband accomplish his projects. By the 1970s the hotel’s splendor had faded and it had gained a reputation for being haunted. It might have continued to fade and eventually have succumbed to the wrecking ball, if not for a fortuitous visit by author Stephen King. A stay of one night was enough to inspire his third major work and first hard-cover bestseller – The Shining – which remains a landmark masterpiece in a long and well-known list of novels. More recently, the Stanley’s paranormal past has been fully embraced. After a century of collecting spirits, the hotel has become renowned by specialists and experts in the field of paranormal investigation as one of the nation’s most active sites. Chief amongst the hotel’s eternal guests are F.O. and Flora Stanley who continue to go about the business of running their beloved establishment as though they were still alive; Flora’s antique Steinway can be heard playing in the dead of night and Mr. Stanley has been captured in photographs surveying the goings-on in the Billiards Room, once his favorite place.
The hotel stands today as a beautifully-restored testament to its glory days, when it served as a holiday retreat for wealthy urbanites. A range of tours highlights the history and haunting of this magnificent historical structure while a tempting menu of amenities, culinary experiences and lavish spa treatments provides all the comfort and glamour required by even the most discerning of modern visitors. We invite you partake in all the Stanley has to offer and hope that, when you visit, you will be able to feel the mantle of time slip away and see the hotel as it once was.
- See more at: stanleyhotel.com/hauntedhistory#sthash.Goq1zmMB.dpuf
SarcasmTheElf wrote:
USo has anyone dug up more information on the actual proposal?
I heard you and Rasty took a road trip together...hikerboy wrote:
no.we got sidetracked.
Da Wolf wrote:
i'm all for it. bring it on
socks wrote:
The point was that history repeats he self. One day it's huts, and like the game monopoly the next it's fancy hotels that segregate through socio-economics...gheez, pay attention. The whites are but a few ghost stories and a couple murders away from a thriving "Overlook Hotel" complete with high rollers and no room for hiker trash.hikerboy wrote:
i appreciate thread drift as much as the next guy, but what does this have to do with the discussion? this deserves its own threadsocks wrote:
Haunted Hotel History
The story of the Stanley Hotel extends back through pre-history when the Estes Valley was a wild and lonely parkland, visited from time to time by wandering tribes of Ute and Arapaho. When early settlers arrived, they stayed because, here on the frontier, they could be truly free.The Earl of Dunraven came in 1872 and jealously coveted this “sportsman’s paradise” of rushing streams and peaceful meadows alive with fish and game. Dunraven sought to possess the valley and create a private hunting preserve. However, his claims were disputed and, as more and more Americans were drawn by the natural beauty of Estes Park, he began to realize that this dream could never be. In 1903, the Yankee inventor Freelan Oscar Stanley arrived, weak and underweight from the symptoms of consumption.
One season spent in the refreshing climate of the wild valley was enough to restore his health to a formidable vigor, and he vowed to return each summer for the rest of his life. However, he and his wife Flora were used to the sophistication of East Coast society and the little community of Estes Park offered little to stimulate and challenge this multi-talented genius. They resolved to build a beautiful grand hotel, the likes of which might only be found in the resorts of the wealthy. Management of such an establishment, they thought, would provide all the diversion they desired. When the Stanley Hotel opened in 1909, the first guests, who pulled up in stylish Stanley-designed steam cars, were astonished. Here in this mountain wilderness, surrounded by the rustic haunts of the hunter and homesteader, was an edifice that withstood comparison with the posh-est hotels “back east.” Electric lights, telephones, en suite bathrooms, a staff of uniformed servants and a fleet of automobiles were at their disposal. Naturally, Stanley had also done much to develop the burgeoning town. By 1917, it was an official municipality with water-works, a power plant, and civic organizations that were all, in some way, thanks to Stanley.
His friendship with naturalist Enos Mills was forged by his tireless efforts towards the creation of the Rocky Mountain National Park, perhaps his most lasting legacy. Flora Stanley played no small part. Everything Freelan did was because of his devotion to Flora. Despite her failing eyesight, she worked among the local ladies’ organizations to help her husband accomplish his projects. By the 1970s the hotel’s splendor had faded and it had gained a reputation for being haunted. It might have continued to fade and eventually have succumbed to the wrecking ball, if not for a fortuitous visit by author Stephen King. A stay of one night was enough to inspire his third major work and first hard-cover bestseller – The Shining – which remains a landmark masterpiece in a long and well-known list of novels. More recently, the Stanley’s paranormal past has been fully embraced. After a century of collecting spirits, the hotel has become renowned by specialists and experts in the field of paranormal investigation as one of the nation’s most active sites. Chief amongst the hotel’s eternal guests are F.O. and Flora Stanley who continue to go about the business of running their beloved establishment as though they were still alive; Flora’s antique Steinway can be heard playing in the dead of night and Mr. Stanley has been captured in photographs surveying the goings-on in the Billiards Room, once his favorite place.
The hotel stands today as a beautifully-restored testament to its glory days, when it served as a holiday retreat for wealthy urbanites. A range of tours highlights the history and haunting of this magnificent historical structure while a tempting menu of amenities, culinary experiences and lavish spa treatments provides all the comfort and glamour required by even the most discerning of modern visitors. We invite you partake in all the Stanley has to offer and hope that, when you visit, you will be able to feel the mantle of time slip away and see the hotel as it once was.
- See more at: stanleyhotel.com/hauntedhistory#sthash.Goq1zmMB.dpuf
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socks wrote:
either way your both lookin' pretty F----- about nowSarcasmTheElf wrote:
USo has anyone dug up more information on the actual proposal?
I heard you and Rasty took a road trip together...hikerboy wrote:
no.we got sidetracked.
hikerboy wrote:
how so? we enjoy arguing. its what we do.socks wrote:
either way your both lookin' pretty F----- about nowSarcasmTheElf wrote:
USo has anyone dug up more information on the actual proposal?
I heard you and Rasty took a road trip together...hikerboy wrote:
no.we got sidetracked.